I’m Russia and I conquered too much in EU game
I’m playing Russia in the GC. The year is 1530 and I’ve conquered about a third or a fourth of Europe. My BB rating is probably very high, and now about 15 countries have declared war on me. I’ve been trying to get peace for years now, but those pesky AIs keep declaring war on me all the time. Looks like my BB rating is just too high. What should I do?
In case I’ve screwed up, any tips on how I can expand fast with Russia without getting such a high BB rating? At least I want to annex a few coastal provinces (from the teutons early on), Kazan, The Golden Horde, Astrachan and Sibir.
Help appreciated.
regards, Thorstein Korsvold
Porcius 28-05 18:29
Russia
Your best bet is to gobble the Khanates a bit at a time. Instead of going for the big grab of annexation right away, take all the provinces but settle for two in the peace. You’ll look like a nice guy. Repeat until annexation means taking only one or two provinces.
I did this, and by the early 16th century had all the khanates, Pskov, parts of Poland and Sweden. My BB was less than 10.
Keep in mind that BB is relative, though. In my game, France went nuts through central Europe, annexing Helvetia, Baden, Wurtemberg and Bavaria in ONE WAR. It’s BB was thirty when mine was seven.
Porcius
Stokerino 28-05 18:36
Same thing happened to me as Turkey (well obviously, they all hate me, and I had just annexed Austria 
). In desparate times, concentrate on making peace with those bordering you. If Portugal has declared war on you, why should you give a damn if Pol-Lith is on your doorstep?
Depending on your economy, it might be worthwhile to accept some of their peace demands for 250 ducats, in the long-run…
But let’s be honest, your in sh*t. So long, lets hope that history doesn’t judge you TOO harshly…:rolleyes:
Shargash 28-05 18:39
Either play it nice like tkorsvold said or build more troops.
In my spanish game I have over 1 million troops in europe. When France declares war 400,000 troops roll over the border, 50k of them directly into Paris. There are another 300k poised on the Austrian border and 350k on the Polish border. 150k sitting in norway and 120k in the crimea.
The crimea is the only front where I worry about success but in my first shooting war with Russia I blitzed the south (assaulting 3 fotresses) and they offered me two provinces before they could move an army my way.
Oh, Portugal has long been reduced to Tago and I have an entire army corp that I call the Portogese Spank Brigade. They take Tago while little expeditionary forces around the world burn their trade posts. I counted 17 burned posts (some were level 6) in our last war.
Regards,
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tkorsvold 28-05 18:59
Where can I see my BB rating, by the way?
regards, Thorstein Korsvold
Honour_Shogun 28-05 19:12
there is a very cool tool out there, called EUSpy, only drawback is that it shows all of the BB(well, that really isn’t so bad, since then you can compare your BB to others(one time, as Russia, i had a BB of 107. And the next highest BB? Pol-Lit with 2! Everyone loves the Russians!:D ))
just do a search on EUSpy, and it should show you the link for it(sorry, do not have it on hand)
oh, adn as russia, the one massive bonus you have, is cheap infantry. I really do not care about BB, as the abiltiy to churn out upwards of 20k infantry, in Moscow alone, hell, i don’t need to worry bout no stinking powers trying to challenge me. Oh, if you eliminate a countries sea ports, they do not get colonists to free download games. Thats why i take every sea province from spain as soon as i can get a big enough fleet. No ports, no explorers. No explorers, no colonial empire.
(if only it were that simple, Life would be boring:D )
shawng1 28-05 23:13
BB
Yep, you encountered Bad Boyitis in a BIG way! :p
Don’t be too upset. I’m playing P-L right now, and I annexed Courland and The Teutonic Order in the time it usually takes me as England to crush Scotland.
Why it’s 1500 and I already have a 17 BB!
TempusFigits 29-05 00:08
Yep, Russia is supposed to be the bad boy. Unlike any other major power, you only have to fight a possible 3 fronts and you have the cheapest infantry. Remember, its not how many provinces you take, its how many you have when peace occurs. 
Johan IV 29-05 00:37
The infantry in Turkey costs 3 as well, and they start with a conscription center in their capital. So they also have a great badboy potential.
tkorsvold 29-05 01:58
Russian infantry actually costs 2 ducats/1000. Not too expensive…
Thorstein
Sindai 29-05 03:59
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Originally posted by tkorsvold
Russian infantry actually costs 2 ducats/1000. Not too expensive…
Thorstein
Boy am I glad I went after the Golden Horde first in my P-L IGC so I could choke off Russia’s mad Siberian rush…..it was funny, almost. Taking out the GH seemed to totally confound Russia’s AI. They didn’t do anything for the first 30 years of the game! Heck, they didn’t even bother to diploannex their vassals Pskov and Kazan….
LeeSkye 03-06 16:36
I tried playing Russia three times and twice I saw the entire European Continent going up in flames because I tried to expand too fast. 
The other time I played it slower and just pushed to the coast first to get some settlers and made a Russian North America! You need to butter up someone who will trade you maps though so I guess it just proves you can’t be the total badboy- you always need to keep a few friends somewhere.:D
DarthMaur 03-06 16:38
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Originally posted by tkorsvold
Russian infantry actually costs 2 ducats/1000. Not too expensive…
Thorstein
You aren’t playing Hardest settings, are you?:)
Johan IV 03-06 18:19
They cost 4 or 5 for Russia on the hardest settings. Don’t remember which (my inflation is high in my current campaign so its a guesstimate, and i’m too lazy to start a new campaign just to check :p)
tkorsvold 04-06 16:35
I’m playing on the normal difficulty settings.
Thorstein
Steve Staten 04-06 19:04
I’m playing Russia in the GC and COULDN’T expand eastward past Sibir. The game engine said I needed land level 11 (I think) or a conqistador and that my men were too SCARED to go into terra incognito. They weren’t too scared to go into Pol-Lit. That was about 1520 AD maybe. Do I have to hang around Novgorod and build up manufacturing and infrastructure just to expand eastward?
That brings up another question: How DO you expand through the provinces east of Sibir that are mostly natives of varying degrees of hostility? I can’t colonize them all. Although I do own a port, colonization eastward would take forever. Shouldn’t I try to maintain a good supply line eastward? I’d kinda like to do this right and not waste alot of infantry as everyone west of me has stood in line to spank me over taking all the khanates (jealous b**stards).
Vulture 04-06 20:18
The territories in terra incognita can only be explored with a conquistador or with land tech 11. Unfortunately for you Russia gets explorers somewhere around 1560, not earlier.
Is this the answer you wanted
Steve Staten 04-06 21:35
Well yes, for the first question. Should I simply wade through the natives eastward and start colonizing only when I reach the far shore of the Pacific? Once that’s done, is it appropriate to then start colonizing a corridor between Moscow and Siberia for supply and communication purposes? OR should I consider Siberia and Russia as two separate spheres of influence nominally under the same empire? (like 1850 California and the east coast of the U.S?) Around 1850, California was separated by from the rest of the U.S. by high mountains, dry deserts and hostile natives.
Josephus I 05-06 18:27
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Originally posted by Steve Staten
Well yes, for the first question. Should I simply wade through the natives eastward and start colonizing only when I reach the far shore of the Pacific? Once that’s done, is it appropriate to then start colonizing a corridor between Moscow and Siberia for supply and communication purposes?
Well you’re gonna have to do that anyways. You can only colonize or TP adjacent to your last one…which means that the only way to colonize the east coast of Russia is to build a string of TPs along the way…which also means numerous little battles with natives. It’s a long road…
Xanadu 05-06 18:48
Almost Josephus I
It looks like you will get your conquistidor before you hit Land Tech 11. So do the couple of provinces that you can do. Then send your conquistidor on his way to China. When you hit the Pacific start colonizing your way back towards Russia while colonizing east towards China. Also along the way you can place a colonist in the middle of nowhere. I believe it is because there is major river that borders these peovinces so maybe the engine thinks flat-bottom boats are possible to get here?:)?:). Plus the fact that there are a couple of gold provinces in there that you can colonize relativly quick.